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Ignoble Son
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Posted - 2013.05.15 14:28:00 -
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Cybus Trama'dol wrote:I think the damage the vehicles do to Mercs on foot should be drastically reduced.
Seems like since the aiming is broken people have resorted to spamming free LAVs and driving round running people over like its Carmageddon(For the oldies) or GTA(For the younger crowd)..
Please just make it so you can survive a single hit from an LAV (tanks I can understand a OHK but they are not as fast so if you get run over its your own fault).
At least then it would give you a chance to run away or fight back cos theres nothing to stop an LAV driver driving through the middle of a gunfight and killing the enemy but teammates survive.
No.
If I hit you with a Ton of car at 60 mph, I don't care what kind of suit you got on, you should die. *"period" for emphasis*
You don't like getting squashed by LAV's, develop better situational awareness.
Starter LAV's are very easy to kill. Skill into AV and watch them go pop. Also see the sentence above.
*Hops is his caldari logistics LAV, revs the gass a few times, looks at you sideways, then speeds away, laughing loudly/manically.* |
Ignoble Son
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:03:00 -
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Vallud Eadesso wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:Cybus Trama'dol wrote:I think the damage the vehicles do to Mercs on foot should be drastically reduced.
Seems like since the aiming is broken people have resorted to spamming free LAVs and driving round running people over like its Carmageddon(For the oldies) or GTA(For the younger crowd)..
Please just make it so you can survive a single hit from an LAV (tanks I can understand a OHK but they are not as fast so if you get run over its your own fault).
At least then it would give you a chance to run away or fight back cos theres nothing to stop an LAV driver driving through the middle of a gunfight and killing the enemy but teammates survive. No. If I hit you with a Ton of car at 60 mph, I don't care what kind of suit you got on, you should die. *"period" for emphasis* You don't like getting squashed by LAV's, develop better situational awareness. Starter LAV's are very easy to kill. Skill into AV and watch them go pop. Also see the sentence above. *Hops is his caldari logistics LAV, revs the gass a few times, looks at you sideways, then speeds away, laughing loudly/manically.* Scroll up and read my posts. You think it makes sense you can survive a rocket to the face and 3 magazines of bullets traveling in excess of 800 Feet Per Second, but one graze of a car that seems to bearly keep it's OWN WEIGHT on the ground should kill someone? A ton? Please. The thing pretty much floats away when it crosses it hill. It looks like it weighs about 2Kg and is full of hellium. Consistency is needed. It lacks.
How's this for consistency? The human body has parts that bend, and, as a consequence, can also be hyper extended as well, now if I hit you in the back at 60 mph how many of your bones do you think are going to hyper extend far beyond the point of braking?
As far as explosions go, explosions don't have a ton of wait barring down on you at hard focal points. Your shields should stop enough of the, equally distributed, in coming force, to at best knock you back or down. Now if you we advocating a knock down mechanic, I would be supporting you, but your not. Your just trying to justify the changes YOU want.
As for bullets, they as well have very little kenetic force, most of the weapons in this game are energy based. A laser for instance has no kenetic force, it is just photons stacked on top of photons inside a single wave length. Similarly the blasters (the AR) are plasma based, and also carry very little kenetic force.
Dude we can do this all day long man, my major in college was science, but I'd rather not.
Now HTFU.
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Ignoble Son
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:27:00 -
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Vallud Eadesso wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:Now HTFU.
Get out of the car and learn to play, son. Stop advocating a play style that hurts the game. You can throw your science around all day... but in game you can survive a single metal slug that weighs the same as a truck dropped directly on your head from orbit (At least once. Those orbital barrages don't insta-splat)
You don't get "hit in the head buy metal slugs". As it functions right now, OB are an AOE bombardment. The only way you can currently survive an orbital is to be on the extreme edge of the AOE.
A car moving considerably slower nudging me shouldn't kill me.[/quote]
The way I look at it is, since there is no kind of knock down mechanics in this game, if I hit you at slow speed and you that means I ran over top of you with my car. If you are under the impression that you are able to just instkill people at these speeds you are wrong. LAVs do varying levels of damage at low speed unless the person is directly in front of your car or you crush the into any solid surface.
Look man, there is nothing wrong with this mechanic. The thing that you should be upset about is free LAV spam. If people had to skill up to use LAVs there wouldn't be such a problem. And if you had a little better situational awareness and some AV it wouldn't be much of a problem in the first place. |
Ignoble Son
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Posted - 2013.05.15 15:43:00 -
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Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote:I think the main problem here is that there is no penalty for running someone over.
While I do not think the LAV needs to come to an abrupt stop, it would make sense to roll or bounce the vehicle over the target potentially giving that targets teammates a better window to destroy the vehicle. This of course should be scaled to reflect the size of the victims suit;
scouts have no penalty, medium frames will 'bounce' or sometimes roll the vehicle with a speed penalty, heavy frames cause a significant speed penalty and high chance to roll
I think LAVs should be remain capable of OHK'ing everyone when at high speed except a well fit heavy. It would be nice if there was some sort of animation for being knocked down.
There is a bounce effect. It only occurs a percentage of the time though, but it happens quite often. Some times it even brings you to a dead stop, or flips you end over end if you are going fast enough. |
Ignoble Son
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:35:00 -
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Cybus Trama'dol wrote:Jaron Pollard wrote:Still seeing a lot of use of the word "car" as if this isn't a high-velocity armoured vehicle we're talking about but some standard Honda Civic or something. Let's get one thing clear - LAV's are more comparable to a Humvee, not a "car". And that armour and shield you have? It's nothing like the half-tonne suit that Master Chief wears in Halo.
Now, let's talk some physics. I'll keep it simple. There are a number of forces to consider when taking a hit from a high velocity armoured vehicle, including concussive force, energy transfer, and mass. For those in the know, mass is directly transferably to energy. In fact, for those that know something about how mass works at the subatomic level inside a muon for example, mass is made of energy. So, the energy from the speed of the "car" is not the only energy to consider, but it's mass as well. Now, you are not a heavy guy, and while the shields and armour of your suit may protect you against small arms kinetic impacts and directed energy attacks (to a degree), the LAVs are somewhat more massive than you, and larger than a bullet, so a vehicle of this type is going to be transferring a lot of that energy across a much larger area than a small round travelling at higher speeds might do, which will create a concussive force in your armour that has the potential to not just crush you if the wheels happen to roll over you (which, if the armour's any good, it may actually protect you from direct wheel-crushing, unless it was damaged in the impact, which is probable), but the most likely cause of damage from vehicular impact is going to be that concussive force from the energy transfer that scrambles your internal organs into pulp. In fact, it is not uncommon for victims of vehicular impacts to suffer from ruptured spleens and the like with little to no external visible injury.
So, what have we learned today? That's right. LAVs are not Honda Civics. But in the right circumstances, a Honda Civic could probably kill you too. Like if it was dropped on you by a crane. But that's another physics lesson entirely.... OK, if you are going to drop the "real science" bomb. Then how about being able to activate a hardener very similar to when you drop out of the MCC because i can imagine the forces exerted on your suit would be similar to being hit by a tank. And yet you can brush off and walk away from that.
Your talking about an inertial dampener. Sounds good to me. One problem for you though, you have to activate it, and it isn't going to do a world of good for you when I plow you from behind because you weren't looking, and it can't last for ever in face to face confrontations. |
Ignoble Son
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Posted - 2013.05.15 16:56:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Jaron Pollard wrote:Cybus Trama'dol wrote:Jaron Pollard wrote:Still seeing a lot of use of the word "car" as if this isn't a high-velocity armoured vehicle we're talking about but some standard Honda Civic or something. Let's get one thing clear - LAV's are more comparable to a Humvee, not a "car". And that armour and shield you have? It's nothing like the half-tonne suit that Master Chief wears in Halo.
Now, let's talk some physics. I'll keep it simple. There are a number of forces to consider when taking a hit from a high velocity armoured vehicle, including concussive force, energy transfer, and mass. For those in the know, mass is directly transferably to energy. In fact, for those that know something about how mass works at the subatomic level inside a muon for example, mass is made of energy. So, the energy from the speed of the "car" is not the only energy to consider, but it's mass as well. Now, you are not a heavy guy, and while the shields and armour of your suit may protect you against small arms kinetic impacts and directed energy attacks (to a degree), the LAVs are somewhat more massive than you, and larger than a bullet, so a vehicle of this type is going to be transferring a lot of that energy across a much larger area than a small round travelling at higher speeds might do, which will create a concussive force in your armour that has the potential to not just crush you if the wheels happen to roll over you (which, if the armour's any good, it may actually protect you from direct wheel-crushing, unless it was damaged in the impact, which is probable), but the most likely cause of damage from vehicular impact is going to be that concussive force from the energy transfer that scrambles your internal organs into pulp. In fact, it is not uncommon for victims of vehicular impacts to suffer from ruptured spleens and the like with little to no external visible injury.
So, what have we learned today? That's right. LAVs are not Honda Civics. But in the right circumstances, a Honda Civic could probably kill you too. Like if it was dropped on you by a crane. But that's another physics lesson entirely.... OK, if you are going to drop the "real science" bomb. Then how about being able to activate a hardener very similar to when you drop out of the MCC because i can imagine the forces exerted on your suit would be similar to being hit by a tank. And yet you can brush off and walk away from that. I like to play a game where sometimes, I see how close I can get to the ground before activating the damper in order to negate the impact force. Once, I missed, and trust me, it was very similar to getting hit by a tank. You can "brush off and walk away from that" because that's what dampers are for. I don't know how you lot are managing to get hit by LAVs in the first place. It's not like if you're running across open ground, you don't check your surroundings. Or maybe it is... who knows. I had a heavy suit walk away from it, limping, but walking none the less.
I think that if you plow into a heavy it should do some damage, it should definitely have some kind of bounce effect/slow down.
And what ever happend to dudes getting stuck in your wheel well a percentage of the time, and slowing you down for short period? I thought that that was a fair mechanic. |
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